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Muy buen razonamiento sobre la "Verdad" de la JW.org
#1

El siguiente excelente vídeo muestra cómo es que la Organización NO puede ser la verdad porque las "nuevas luces" son INCOMPATIBLES con la Verdad REAL...

(Vídeo. Ingles. Duración: 12 Minutos, 50 Segundos...)




Por lo tanto, NO deberían existir Expulsiones por "Apostasía"... porque NUNCA han tenido la "VERDAD"...

Con tantas "nuevas luces" (CAMBIOS) el "Contrato" (Bautismo) queda AUTOMÁTICAMENTE ANULADO... porque la "Verdad" que nos dijeron resultó ser MENTIRA...
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#2

jehovah's witnesses refer to their
00:04
religion as the truth they claim to be
00:07
the only true religion that understands
00:09
what the Bible teaches they also believe
00:12
they are the only ones who understand
00:13
Biblical prophecy and that they are the
00:15
only organization that imitates the
00:17
first century Christian congregation the
00:20
problem with this is that their
00:22
doctrines have changed numerous times
00:24
over the years if today Jehovah's
00:27
Witnesses are the truth that means that
00:30
yesterday it wasn't the truth since what
00:33
they teach today is not the same as what
00:36
they taught in the past truth is to find
00:39
as things with a basis in actuality fact
00:42
or reality if what you believed prior
00:45
was later proven to be false than it was
00:48
never the truth but Jehovah's Witnesses
00:51
will never admit that their prior system
00:54
of belief was not the truth if you ask
00:57
one of Jehovah's Witnesses about these
00:59
doctrinal changes though refer to the
01:01
change not as the correction of a
01:04
mistake but as new light from God this
01:08
classification of new light breaks down
01:11
under scrutiny however for instance from
01:14
1880 up until 1954 watchtower promoted
01:19
the worship of both Jehovah and Jesus as
01:22
God's making it a polytheistic religion
01:25
and 1954 worshipping Jesus became a dis
01:30
fellowshiping offense if Jill was
01:32
witnesses were being guided by Holy
01:34
Spirit to the truth would God really
01:38
have guided them to wrongly worship
01:40
someone else in addition to himself for
01:43
almost 75 years did Jehovah's Witnesses
01:47
have the truth when they worshiped both
01:50
Jehovah and Jesus or was it a false
01:52
religion because it taught a form of
01:55
worship that's contrary to was actually
01:57
true that is it's not based in fact or
02:01
reality another example is the
02:04
celebration of Christmas up until 1926
02:07
watchtower endorsed the celebration of
02:10
Christmas in 1927 it was outlawed as a
02:13
pagan
02:14
celebration so for almost 50 years
02:18
Christmas was okay and then it wasn't
02:21
keep in mind that Watchtower claims the
02:24
organization was cleansed of impurity in
02:27
1919 and yet the celebration of
02:29
Christmas persisted for another seven
02:32
years after that if it was cleansed and
02:35
Christmas was pagan why wasn't the
02:38
celebration of the holiday stopped in
02:40
1919 if Christmas is and always has been
02:44
a pagan holiday and yet Watchtower
02:47
endorsed its celebration for decades
02:49
wasn't Watchtower system of belief just
02:52
another false religion up until the time
02:54
Christmas was prohibited it could not
02:57
have been the truth both before and
03:00
after the change because before the
03:03
change it wasn't based in fact or
03:06
reality if after the change it was
03:10
before the change it must have been a
03:13
falsehood not the truth those are only a
03:17
few of dozens of examples of doctrinal
03:20
changes over the years
03:21
if Chavez witnesses really had the truth
03:25
it would never change at all either the
03:28
moon is made out of cheese or it isn't
03:31
either the earth is the center of the
03:33
universe or it isn't there were times
03:36
when both of those things were believed
03:39
to be true but they never were the truth
03:43
they were always false the truth doesn't
03:46
change from day to day only people's
03:49
opinions change clearly Jehovah's
03:52
Witnesses do not have the truth because
03:55
their belief system continually changes
03:58
another problem with Jehovah's Witnesses
04:01
labeling their doctrinal changes as new
04:03
light is that some doctrines have
04:05
completely flip-flopped
04:07
for instance up until 1929 the superior
04:11
authorities of Romans chapter 13 were
04:13
believed to be the governments of the
04:15
world in 1929 watchtower change that
04:19
belief saying it was referring to
04:20
Jehovah God and Jesus not the
04:22
government's that remained their
04:25
interpretation until 1962
04:27
when they changed it back to the
04:29
original understanding and today
04:32
jehovah's witnesses continue to believe
04:34
that the superior authorities are
04:36
referring to world governments if the
04:39
change in belief in 1929 was new light
04:42
from god
04:43
why did watch tower later regress back
04:45
into the old darkness the original
04:48
understanding that's not new light
04:51
that's a mistake
04:53
that had to be corrected let's just call
04:55
it what it is but Watchtower never
04:58
admits to making mistakes ever another
05:03
example of doctrinal flip-flopping is
05:05
organ transplants in 1961 it was left up
05:09
to each individual to decide for
05:11
themselves whether they wanted a
05:12
transplant but by 1967 organ transplants
05:16
had been completely prohibited being
05:18
labeled cannibalism
05:20
however in 1980 that doctrine was
05:23
reversed back to the original doctrine
05:26
of it being left up to the individual
05:28
again if the change from a transplant
05:31
being left up to the individual to it
05:33
being absolutely prohibited was new
05:36
light from God why was the new light
05:39
reversed in a return to the old darkness
05:42
of it being a personal decision
05:45
Jehovah's Witnesses take what they call
05:47
the truth so seriously that a person can
05:51
be disfellowshipped and shunned if they
05:53
openly declare they do not agree with
05:55
one of the teachings from The Watchtower
05:58
Watchtower calls any dissension from
06:01
their current version of the truth
06:03
apostasy here's an example of why that's
06:06
a problem today watchtower prohibits
06:10
whole blood transfusions if a witness
06:13
were to get a blood transfusion despite
06:15
this prohibition they would be announced
06:17
as no longer being one of Java's
06:19
witnesses and shunned losing all contact
06:21
with any family and friends who are
06:23
Jehovah's Witnesses but if the no blood
06:26
doctrine was changed tomorrow
06:28
the person who broke the rule yesterday
06:31
that is no longer a rule today would not
06:34
be allowed back in nor would they be
06:36
apologized to for the mistake made by
06:39
Watchtower in the enormous
06:41
oil from being shunned Watchtower openly
06:44
admits that its governing body is
06:46
neither inspired nor infallible so why
06:49
is it that they remove people for
06:51
disobeying the rules they admit are just
06:55
the interpretations of men especially
06:57
since those interpretations change on a
07:00
regular basis there's nothing wrong with
07:03
living by a system of beliefs based on
07:05
interpretation and there's nothing wrong
07:07
with refining that belief system over
07:10
time and making improvements there is a
07:13
serious problem however with claiming
07:16
your way is the only truth when that way
07:20
is continually changing and an even
07:23
bigger problem in disfellowshipping and
07:26
shunning people who do not accept your
07:28
ever-changing belief system as the truth
07:32
think about the ramifications here when
07:35
a person studies to become one of
07:37
Jehovah's Witnesses they are told
07:39
repeatedly that the witnesses have the
07:42
truth let's say the student agrees and
07:45
gets baptized based on what they were
07:47
taught as the truth when that so-called
07:50
truth later changes and it inevitably
07:53
will if the student sticks to the
07:56
original truth they were taught they
07:58
will be disfellowshipped and shunned as
08:01
an apostate for believing what they were
08:03
taught was the truth not long before the
08:07
change it's absurd as I said in the
08:11
beginning Jehovah's Witnesses also
08:13
believe they have the truth because they
08:16
understand Bible prophecy and nobody
08:18
else does let's put that claim under
08:21
scrutiny as well in 1920 Watchtower
08:25
published a booklet titled millions now
08:28
living will never die the title really
08:30
says at all
08:31
because Watchtower then believed that to
08:33
be a statement of fact it was based on a
08:36
sermon given by Joseph F Rutherford in
08:39
1918 that was over 100 years ago and
08:44
obviously that interpretation of
08:46
prophecy turned out to be false
08:49
not the truth in 1984 Watchtower again
08:54
made a bold prediction
08:55
with the may 15th edition of The
08:57
Watchtower magazine carrying the title
09:00
1914 the generation that will not pass
09:04
away on the cover many elderly people
09:07
are depicted which Watchtower clearly
09:10
expected to live in to the Paradise they
09:12
say is coming that was 35 years ago
09:16
based on the ages of the people on the
09:18
cover I think it's safe to say that
09:21
they're all dead so was watchtowers
09:25
interpretation of prophecy the truth no
09:28
it was false not an organization to be
09:32
deterred by continual failure and
09:34
prophetic fulfillment however Watchtower
09:36
tried again in the January 1st 1989
09:40
Watchtower where it stated that their
09:42
preaching work would be completed in the
09:45
20th century Ashe ring in the promised
09:48
paradise but it's 2019 and Jehovah's
09:51
Witnesses are still preaching was
09:54
watchtowers interpretation of prophecy
09:56
the truth no it was yet again false if
10:01
it wasn't the truth and the religion was
10:05
not teaching the truth well that makes
10:08
it just another one of what Watchtower
10:10
calls a false religion if it's not true
10:14
it's false you can't be the truth if
10:17
what you taught was not true let's recap
10:23
one Jehovah's Witnesses claim their
10:26
religion is the truth - truth is defined
10:31
as things with a basis in actuality fact
10:34
or reality 3 Jobos witnesses have
10:39
changed their doctrines repeatedly over
10:41
the years for Chavez witnesses
10:45
interpretations of end times prophecies
10:47
have also repeatedly failed to come true
10:51
conclusion Java's witnesses are not the
10:56
truth while this seems obvious to anyone
10:59
from the outside looking in
11:01
witnesses are taught that it is still
11:04
the truth it's just been refined with
11:07
new light from God
11:09
however the flip-flopping of doctrines
11:12
such as of the superior authorities and
11:14
the permissibility of Oregon transplants
11:17
proves that cannot be true either if God
11:21
was giving Jehovah's Witnesses new light
11:23
their doctrines would not fall back into
11:26
the old darkness that they were
11:27
previously Watchtower has painted itself
11:31
into a corner here if they have the
11:34
truth then their predictions should come
11:36
true and their beliefs should not change
11:39
since neither of those things are the
11:41
case they are forced to continually
11:44
issue corrections in the form of new
11:47
light that can also easily be debunked
11:50
if they admit they were wrong but have
11:53
disfellowshipped and shunned people for
11:55
rejecting their wrong beliefs and
11:57
refused to readmit them or apologize for
12:00
the mistake then at best they are
12:02
clearly exposing themselves as a false
12:05
religion and at worst they open
12:07
themselves up for serious legal action
12:10
that might be taken against them by the
12:12
people they have wronged is it any
12:15
wonder that 66% of people born into the
12:18
organization of Jehovah's Witnesses in
12:20
the United States leave the religion all
12:23
of this provides evidence that one
12:26
statement made by the watchtower is
12:29
verifiably and repeatably true however
12:32
the governing body is neither inspired
12:35
nor infallible
12:46
you
12:46
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#3

(13-Apr-2019, 02:32 pm)JoseFidencioR escribió:  jehovah's witnesses refer to their
00:04
religion as the truth they claim to be
00:07
the only true religion that understands
00:09
what the Bible teaches they also believe
00:12
they are the only ones who understand
00:13
Biblical prophecy and that they are the
00:15
only organization that imitates the
00:17
first century Christian congregation the
00:20
problem with this is that their
00:22
doctrines have changed numerous times
00:24
over the years if today Jehovah's
00:27
Witnesses are the truth that means that
00:30
yesterday it wasn't the truth since what
00:33
they teach today is not the same as what
00:36
they taught in the past truth is to find
00:39
as things with a basis in actuality fact
00:42
or reality if what you believed prior
00:45
was later proven to be false than it was
00:48
never the truth but Jehovah's Witnesses
00:51
will never admit that their prior system
00:54
of belief was not the truth if you ask
00:57
one of Jehovah's Witnesses about these
00:59
doctrinal changes though refer to the
01:01
change not as the correction of a
01:04
mistake but as new light from God this
01:08
classification of new light breaks down
01:11
under scrutiny however for instance from
01:14
1880 up until 1954 watchtower promoted
01:19
the worship of both Jehovah and Jesus as
01:22
God's making it a polytheistic religion
01:25
and 1954 worshipping Jesus became a dis
01:30
fellowshiping offense if Jill was
01:32
witnesses were being guided by Holy
01:34
Spirit to the truth would God really
01:38
have guided them to wrongly worship
01:40
someone else in addition to himself for
01:43
almost 75 years did Jehovah's Witnesses
01:47
have the truth when they worshiped both
01:50
Jehovah and Jesus or was it a false
01:52
religion because it taught a form of
01:55
worship that's contrary to was actually
01:57
true that is it's not based in fact or
02:01
reality another example is the
02:04
celebration of Christmas up until 1926
02:07
watchtower endorsed the celebration of
02:10
Christmas in 1927 it was outlawed as a
02:13
pagan
02:14
celebration so for almost 50 years
02:18
Christmas was okay and then it wasn't
02:21
keep in mind that Watchtower claims the
02:24
organization was cleansed of impurity in
02:27
1919 and yet the celebration of
02:29
Christmas persisted for another seven
02:32
years after that if it was cleansed and
02:35
Christmas was pagan why wasn't the
02:38
celebration of the holiday stopped in
02:40
1919 if Christmas is and always has been
02:44
a pagan holiday and yet Watchtower
02:47
endorsed its celebration for decades
02:49
wasn't Watchtower system of belief just
02:52
another false religion up until the time
02:54
Christmas was prohibited it could not
02:57
have been the truth both before and
03:00
after the change because before the
03:03
change it wasn't based in fact or
03:06
reality if after the change it was
03:10
before the change it must have been a
03:13
falsehood not the truth those are only a
03:17
few of dozens of examples of doctrinal
03:20
changes over the years
03:21
if Chavez witnesses really had the truth
03:25
it would never change at all either the
03:28
moon is made out of cheese or it isn't
03:31
either the earth is the center of the
03:33
universe or it isn't there were times
03:36
when both of those things were believed
03:39
to be true but they never were the truth
03:43
they were always false the truth doesn't
03:46
change from day to day only people's
03:49
opinions change clearly Jehovah's
03:52
Witnesses do not have the truth because
03:55
their belief system continually changes
03:58
another problem with Jehovah's Witnesses
04:01
labeling their doctrinal changes as new
04:03
light is that some doctrines have
04:05
completely flip-flopped
04:07
for instance up until 1929 the superior
04:11
authorities of Romans chapter 13 were
04:13
believed to be the governments of the
04:15
world in 1929 watchtower change that
04:19
belief saying it was referring to
04:20
Jehovah God and Jesus not the
04:22
government's that remained their
04:25
interpretation until 1962
04:27
when they changed it back to the
04:29
original understanding and today
04:32
jehovah's witnesses continue to believe
04:34
that the superior authorities are
04:36
referring to world governments if the
04:39
change in belief in 1929 was new light
04:42
from god
04:43
why did watch tower later regress back
04:45
into the old darkness the original
04:48
understanding that's not new light
04:51
that's a mistake
04:53
that had to be corrected let's just call
04:55
it what it is but Watchtower never
04:58
admits to making mistakes ever another
05:03
example of doctrinal flip-flopping is
05:05
organ transplants in 1961 it was left up
05:09
to each individual to decide for
05:11
themselves whether they wanted a
05:12
transplant but by 1967 organ transplants
05:16
had been completely prohibited being
05:18
labeled cannibalism
05:20
however in 1980 that doctrine was
05:23
reversed back to the original doctrine
05:26
of it being left up to the individual
05:28
again if the change from a transplant
05:31
being left up to the individual to it
05:33
being absolutely prohibited was new
05:36
light from God why was the new light
05:39
reversed in a return to the old darkness
05:42
of it being a personal decision
05:45
Jehovah's Witnesses take what they call
05:47
the truth so seriously that a person can
05:51
be disfellowshipped and shunned if they
05:53
openly declare they do not agree with
05:55
one of the teachings from The Watchtower
05:58
Watchtower calls any dissension from
06:01
their current version of the truth
06:03
apostasy here's an example of why that's
06:06
a problem today watchtower prohibits
06:10
whole blood transfusions if a witness
06:13
were to get a blood transfusion despite
06:15
this prohibition they would be announced
06:17
as no longer being one of Java's
06:19
witnesses and shunned losing all contact
06:21
with any family and friends who are
06:23
Jehovah's Witnesses but if the no blood
06:26
doctrine was changed tomorrow
06:28
the person who broke the rule yesterday
06:31
that is no longer a rule today would not
06:34
be allowed back in nor would they be
06:36
apologized to for the mistake made by
06:39
Watchtower in the enormous
06:41
oil from being shunned Watchtower openly
06:44
admits that its governing body is
06:46
neither inspired nor infallible so why
06:49
is it that they remove people for
06:51
disobeying the rules they admit are just
06:55
the interpretations of men especially
06:57
since those interpretations change on a
07:00
regular basis there's nothing wrong with
07:03
living by a system of beliefs based on
07:05
interpretation and there's nothing wrong
07:07
with refining that belief system over
07:10
time and making improvements there is a
07:13
serious problem however with claiming
07:16
your way is the only truth when that way
07:20
is continually changing and an even
07:23
bigger problem in disfellowshipping and
07:26
shunning people who do not accept your
07:28
ever-changing belief system as the truth
07:32
think about the ramifications here when
07:35
a person studies to become one of
07:37
Jehovah's Witnesses they are told
07:39
repeatedly that the witnesses have the
07:42
truth let's say the student agrees and
07:45
gets baptized based on what they were
07:47
taught as the truth when that so-called
07:50
truth later changes and it inevitably
07:53
will if the student sticks to the
07:56
original truth they were taught they
07:58
will be disfellowshipped and shunned as
08:01
an apostate for believing what they were
08:03
taught was the truth not long before the
08:07
change it's absurd as I said in the
08:11
beginning Jehovah's Witnesses also
08:13
believe they have the truth because they
08:16
understand Bible prophecy and nobody
08:18
else does let's put that claim under
08:21
scrutiny as well in 1920 Watchtower
08:25
published a booklet titled millions now
08:28
living will never die the title really
08:30
says at all
08:31
because Watchtower then believed that to
08:33
be a statement of fact it was based on a
08:36
sermon given by Joseph F Rutherford in
08:39
1918 that was over 100 years ago and
08:44
obviously that interpretation of
08:46
prophecy turned out to be false
08:49
not the truth in 1984 Watchtower again
08:54
made a bold prediction
08:55
with the may 15th edition of The
08:57
Watchtower magazine carrying the title
09:00
1914 the generation that will not pass
09:04
away on the cover many elderly people
09:07
are depicted which Watchtower clearly
09:10
expected to live in to the Paradise they
09:12
say is coming that was 35 years ago
09:16
based on the ages of the people on the
09:18
cover I think it's safe to say that
09:21
they're all dead so was watchtowers
09:25
interpretation of prophecy the truth no
09:28
it was false not an organization to be
09:32
deterred by continual failure and
09:34
prophetic fulfillment however Watchtower
09:36
tried again in the January 1st 1989
09:40
Watchtower where it stated that their
09:42
preaching work would be completed in the
09:45
20th century Ashe ring in the promised
09:48
paradise but it's 2019 and Jehovah's
09:51
Witnesses are still preaching was
09:54
watchtowers interpretation of prophecy
09:56
the truth no it was yet again false if
10:01
it wasn't the truth and the religion was
10:05
not teaching the truth well that makes
10:08
it just another one of what Watchtower
10:10
calls a false religion if it's not true
10:14
it's false you can't be the truth if
10:17
what you taught was not true let's recap
10:23
one Jehovah's Witnesses claim their
10:26
religion is the truth - truth is defined
10:31
as things with a basis in actuality fact
10:34
or reality 3 Jobos witnesses have
10:39
changed their doctrines repeatedly over
10:41
the years for Chavez witnesses
10:45
interpretations of end times prophecies
10:47
have also repeatedly failed to come true
10:51
conclusion Java's witnesses are not the
10:56
truth while this seems obvious to anyone
10:59
from the outside looking in
11:01
witnesses are taught that it is still
11:04
the truth it's just been refined with
11:07
new light from God
11:09
however the flip-flopping of doctrines
11:12
such as of the superior authorities and
11:14
the permissibility of Oregon transplants
11:17
proves that cannot be true either if God
11:21
was giving Jehovah's Witnesses new light
11:23
their doctrines would not fall back into
11:26
the old darkness that they were
11:27
previously Watchtower has painted itself
11:31
into a corner here if they have the
11:34
truth then their predictions should come
11:36
true and their beliefs should not change
11:39
since neither of those things are the
11:41
case they are forced to continually
11:44
issue corrections in the form of new
11:47
light that can also easily be debunked
11:50
if they admit they were wrong but have
11:53
disfellowshipped and shunned people for
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rejecting their wrong beliefs and
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refused to readmit them or apologize for
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the mistake then at best they are
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clearly exposing themselves as a false
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religion and at worst they open
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themselves up for serious legal action
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that might be taken against them by the
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people they have wronged is it any
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wonder that 66% of people born into the
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organization of Jehovah's Witnesses in
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the United States leave the religion all
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of this provides evidence that one
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statement made by the watchtower is
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verifiably and repeatably true however
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the governing body is neither inspired
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nor infallible
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you
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spanish please

Comprendo que la mentira es engaño y la verdad no. Pero a mí me han engañado las dos.
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